Heath:  ...Primary Debate.  Before you stand the Republican candidates,
the leading Republican candidates running for President.  I'm Jack Heath,
and on behalf of Imes Communications and WMUR-TV, welcome.  I will be
moderating and asking questions of our candidates this evening.  On behalf
of WMUR-TV, I would like to welcome our state-wide New Hampshire audience,
and a world-wide audience watching on CNN.  Joining me tonight as
co-moderator and co-questioner, my colleague Karen Brown.  Karen. 

Brown:  Thank you, Jack, and good evening gentlemen.  We thank you for
your participation tonight.  Let me briefly explain for our viewers the
format of tonight's debate.  Each candidate will be allowed to make an
opening statement, not to exceed one minute-fifteen seconds in length.  We
will then move on to the question, answer, and rebuttal phase of the
program.  Three candidates will be given one minute, thirty seconds each
to directly answer the question.  Then, the remaining five candidates will
be given one minute each for rebuttal.  The third and final portion of the
debate will consist of the closing statements.  So, without further ado,
let us begin the opening statements.  Lamar Alexander, former Tennessee
governor and former U.S. Education Secretary, you will go first. 

Alexander:  Thank you, Karen and Jack.  I walked a hundred miles across
New Hampshire campaigning for President the New Hampshire way.  I didn't
see many television cameras on that walk, but the last few days I've
hardly been able to walk because of all the cameras.  I hope what that
means is there are a lot more people willing to hear my new ideas about
how to turn job training programs into work scholarships for people
changing jobs, helping parents take back their schools with a G.I. bill
for kids, turning Washington welfare into neighborhood charity, a new
branch of the armed services to control our borders, and cutting the pay
of Congress and sending them home to create a part-time citizen Congress. 
Last week the voters of Iowa said "yes" to new ideas, and they said "no"
to negative advertising.  That's why I've been so surprised to see that
Senator Dole has begun negative advertising on television against Pat
Buchanan, and now against me.  Senator Dole, you're better than your
negative ads.  Why don't you pull them off?  Why don't we talk about new
ideas and our future?  That's the way to beat Bill Clinton, that's the way
to elect the best first president of the next century. 

Heath:  Thank you, Governor Alexander.  Next, Pat Buchanan.  He's a
commentator and he's also served presidents in the past.  Your opening
statement, Mr. Buchanan. 

Buchanan:  Thank you.  In the first three caucuses and primaries held this
year, Pat Buchanan came in first in Alaska, I came in first in Louisiana,
and I came in a close second to Senator Dole in Senator Dole's next state
- Iowa.  Let me tell you why I believe our campaign is catching fire
across America.  We do have a new idea, and that new idea is a new
conservatism of the heart.  A conservatism of the heart that speaks for
the forgotten Americans who have no voice in Washington.  It speaks up for
the right to life of the innocent unborn whose silent screams often go
unheard in this country.  It is a new conservatism that speaks up for the
working men and women of America whose jobs are being sent overseas in
trade deals, done for the benefit of big, transnational corporations that
don't care about America anymore.  It's a conservatism of the heart that
speaks up for middle Americans who are burdened by taxation and who have
to see the wives go out to work when they don't want to work.  I want to
represent in Washington those people that don't have representatives.  And
that's what this new conservatism is all about, my friends, and it is
catching fire.  And we're gonna take it right to this nomination, and into
the presidency of the United States. 

Brown:  Thank you very much, Mr. Buchanan.  We will now hear from Senator
Bob Dole. 

Dole:  Thank you very much, and I am very honored to be here with all of
my colleagues.  Uh, I saw earlier tonight Dick Upton, who's sort of the
father of the New Hampshire Primary, and I fought as hard as anyone up
here to make certain that New Hampshire kept it's first in the nation
tradition and I'm very proud to be here.  And I know the New Hampshire
people are proud to have the first primary.  If you think about it we're
just one election away, think about it, one election away from having a
Republican president and a Republican congress that share the same vision. 
It's been a long, long time.  And one year away probably from a balanced
budget, we'd be on our way to a balanced budget.  We'd be on our way to
tax reform, credits, tax credits for families with children.  On our way
to welfare reform.  Put our parents back and putting our parents back in
charge of school and untying the hands of the Justice Department.  And
letting our courts and, make, get good, conservative judges on our courts. 
We'd have moral leadership in the White House.  And I want to ask you for
your support.  I would only say to Lamar, Lamar I didn't know about
negative advertising until I saw you do it against Pete Wilson.  You ran
the first negative ad in this state, and I guess maybe I thought it was
all right since you did it if I at least spelled out your record.  But the
bottom line is, I, I want to ask for your support.  I will be the next
President of the United States.  I will be a good, mainstream,
conservative president with a lot of good ideas about America's future. 

Heath:  Thank you, Senator Dole.  Next introduction by Congressman Bob
Dornan. 

Dornan:  We always end our speeches by saying God bless America.  I would
like to begin the first speech of my life by saying God bless America and
guide this grand old party.  I wish the spirit of Ronald Reagan would
descend on New Hampshire, and his eleventh commandment that no Republican
should speak ill of another Republican.  Every time I've been on the
platform with these distinguished gentlemen, I've said I was proud and
honored to be with men of character and integrity.  Bob Dole once said
we're all his friends, and that if he prevailed we'd all be in the
Cabinet.  I like the sound of that.  I'd like to be Secretary of Defense,
Bob, if you make it.  I think that we have to stop tearing, we have to
stop tearing at one another, and focus on what I said in Des Moines, Iowa
- the target is Clinton, the moral crisis in the White House.  Everyone
here has accomplished so much in life, there isn't enough time left in the
four days starting at midnight to sell ourselves to the great citizens of
this granite state that will lead the way. 

Gentlemen, we're a family here.  Let's unify ourselves and make sure we
take the White House on November the 5th.  God bless all of you. 

Brown:  Thank you, Congressman Dornan.  Mr. Steve Forbes, you may proceed
with your opening statement. 

Forbes:  Thank you very much.  Choosing the Republican nominee is a very
important decision, but before you decide who to believe in, you have to
decide who to believe.  Look at the men here tonight.  Which of them are
here because they want to be something?  And who is here because he wants
to do something?  What needs to be done for America?  Government has grown
so large, so large that control of it, government cog..cog..control of the
people is now in question.  The whole premise of my campaign is returning
control to the people.  The reason that returning money, power, and
control to the people is so controversial in Washington, the reason is
very basic because it flies in the face of the Washington establishment. 
Some say that a flat tax that is a tax cut for families, is main part, is
the main part of my agenda, but it's only part of my agenda.  Parents
should control education, not the unions.  People on Medi-care should
control their health plans, not the bureaucrats.  Young Americans should
have their own social security system that belongs to them; not the
Washington politicians.  Politicians may talk about such issues, but I've
shown what to do about them.  Thank you. 

Heath:  Thank you Mr. Forbes.  Next introduction by former Ambassador,
Alan Keyes. 

Keyes:  Every since I've been coming to New Hampshire folks have been
telling me in various ways that the only thing that the voters of New
Hampshire think is at the top of the agenda, uh, is economic money issues. 
I think that if that's the case then both me and New Hampshirites and
people in this country are in serious trouble.  Because it's pretty
obvious that the shadow lengthening over our schools, filling our
neighborhoods with violence, getting our fourteen-year-olds, raping our
ten-year-olds and our fifteen-year-olds, killing our seventeen-year-olds,
teachers afraid to teach, students afraid to learn because of the rising
tide of violence among our young people.  I don't think that all these
folks are out there joining gangs, raping, murdering, and doing other
things unheard of at their young age, are doin' it because they have to
pay a progressive income tax or because we haven't balanced the budget in
Washington.  We're gonna have to decide, is it the money or the morals?  I
think all of us know in our hearts that we, in fact, are in the midst of a
moral crisis.  We can't afford money-obsessed leaders who will not put
that crisis at the top of their agenda.  The Keyes campaign is about only
one thing - admitting that crisis, admitting that the disillusion of the
family needs to be our number one preoccupation, and putting it at the top
of our agenda so we can deal with it rightly.  If you feel that way, you
have no alternative in this race, but Alan Keyes. 

Brown:  Thank you Ambassador Keyes.  Senator Dick Lugar, you may now
proceed with your opening remarks. 

Lugar:  Earlier this week ah, less than 20% of Iowa Republicans, and they
were self-defined as very conservative Republicans, named Mr. Dole and Mr.
Alexander and Mr. Forbes and Mr. Buchanan, as their top four choices.  Ah,
let me simply say that this same group said that only six...only sixteen
percent of that group said that beating Bill Clinton was the basic
objective; a large number more than that thought that conservative values
was the objective.  I believe that in New Hampshire the majority of
Republicans will vote, I think they will want to defeat Bill Clinton, and
to have the strongest candidate.  And I would suggest that polls that now
indicate that Senator Dole, U.S. News and World Report says, would lose to
Clinton 53 to 36, they say that Steve Forbes would lose 51 to 33,
indicates some very real problems with, uh, leading candidates.  Self
inflicted wounds by the top four, as well as wounds they inflict on each
other through negative campaigning have made it imperative that New
Hampshire voters need to have Dick Lugar as an alternative.  They are
going to have to have somebody that will pick up the pieces after this
situation clears away if we we're to defeat Bill Clinton.  On foreign
policy and on trust in government, I can defeat Clinton.  I believe I'm
the best candidate. 

Heath:  Senator, thank you.  Next introduction - Morry Taylor. 

Taylor:  Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Tonight you'll hear some
great ideas and visions, but you'll only hear the solutions from Morry
Taylor because I'm a real businessman.  Not as a, I'm not a lawyer and I'm
not a politician.  I started as an engineer and I built a business up from
zero sales to $620 million manufacturing wheels and tires.  I know how to
balance a budget.  I know how to create jobs, and I know how to provide
the leadership we're gonna need.  All these men have very fine visions,
but remember, smiles and talk can be fake.  You hear about the character,
the honesty, the leadership.  Mr. Alexander here has broken the federal
election laws by spending over the maximum amount allowed in New
Hampshire.  In fact, he shouldn't be here at all by the law.  He signed a
contract, and broke the law.  If you can't manage a campaign budget, you
surely can't manage the federal government.  Remember, all this talk and
smiles reminds me of the Jimmy and Tammy Faye Baker program - it's fake,
folks.  If you listen, you'll hear that there's one up here that's a doer,
not a talker. 

Brown:  Mr. Taylor, thank you very much.  We'll now move on to the
question, answer, and rebuttal phase of tonight's program.  Jack will ask
the first question to Mr. Alexander, Mr. Buchanan, and Senator Dole, and
Mr. Alexander, you will go first.  Jack. 

Heath:  Thank you Karen.  Gentlemen, in November of 1994 your party scored
a huge political victory, not only capturing both chambers of Congress for
the first time in a long time, but sweeping elections across this country. 
Since then, as your party has battled with the White House over such
mammoth issues as balancing the budget, the White House has branded you as
radical and extreme, and based on recent public opinion polls, the White
House may be winning that message war.  My question to you - have you
mismanaged the power that Newt Gingrich held as a revolutionary victory in
the Contract with America since November of '94 and are you in danger of
losing the message war with the American people? 

Alexander:  Thank you, Jack.  Well, of course, I haven't mismanaged it
because I haven't been there; I've been outside Washington, but let me
stick up for Senator Dole and Newt Gingrich a little bit, and the
Republican Congress.  I think they've tried.  I think we've just got our
hopes up too high.  We can't make the kind of changes that we want to make
without a Republican President.  Uh, they've worked on it.  Uh, I would've
done some things differently; for example, uh, they've got an 800 page
welfare bill that Senator Dole has sponsored.  I think that's 800 pages,
almost, too many.  I'd rather cancel Washington welfare, and take the $50
billion that we spend on that, and put it in the form of neighborhood
charities so that we could go to work helping people who need help.  On my
walk across, uh, New Hampshire I came to a young couple from Nashua who
had been down to the welfare office, who were encouraged to separate in
order to get higher welfare benefits.  Now, if we would go to work at
home, helping people who need help, spending the same amount of money, and
if we would add to that, a tax credit of up to $500 so we could give our
money directly to the Boy's Club or the Girl's Club or the Salvation Army,
then we could help every single person who needs help.  What the
Republican Congress needs is an agenda-setting Republican President to
interpret and explain what they're doing, and who can stand up there with
Bill Clinton, and when he makes these comments, when he starts believing
the words that come out of his mouth even though they're not true, could
turn around to him and say what the last Republican governor who was
elected President said to Jimmy Carter, "There you go again, Mr.
President." 

Brown:  Thank you very much, Governor Alexander.  Mr. Buchanan. 

Buchanan:  Well, let me address that this way.  I do believe that the
Republicans have lost a historic opportunity because they lost the sense
of vision in Washington.  They got bogged down in the budget battle with
C.B.O. numbers or O.M.B. numbers, nobody could understand it.  And they
didn't stay on a high level, and they didn't talk about a vision and a
philosophy of Republicans versus Democrats.  And on that level we can win
this battle every time.  But, you know, it's not simply Al Gore that's
calling us extremists.  My friend Bob Dole here, friend of thirty years,
has an attack ad on me calling me an extremist.  As Lamar said earlier,
Bob Dole is a better man than the campaign his folks are running.  He says
in that ad that Pat Buchanan wants to give away, or..ah..wanted to give
away nuclear weapons to our Asian allies.  Bob, that's not true... 

Dole:  That's what you said; I didn't say that... 

Buchanan:  It's not true, and your folks know it's not true.  And my
understanding is now you're phone banking the same way you did Steve
Forbes, telling folks Pat Buchanan said this.  Bob, it's not true.  Pat
Buchanan's not an extremist.  Those are the cuss words of the
establishment.  I'm surprised you'd be usin' them against a fellow
Republican.  And let me say this, Bob, if I'm an extremist, why are you
pirating my ideas and parroting my rhetoric?  Where'd you get that idea
for the cultural war for the soul of America, my friend?  Where'd you get
these other ideas about corporate greed?  Listen, I welcome the fact that
you're coming my way, Bob, but I don't think you can call us an extremist
when you've become a pretty good echo of Pat Buchanan. 

Brown:  Thank you Mr. Buchanan.  Senator Dole. 

Dole:  Well, I appreciate that endorsement and uh, we've been talking
about uh, corporate welfare and many of Mr. Forbes advertises, I guess,
way back since 1981 when we closed some of those big leap, loop holes that
big corporations, ah, Safe Harbor Leasing and other things.  But, let me
address the question, I guess that's not without precedent.  Let me
address the question.  I'm very proud of the Republican Congress.  For the
first time in forty years we had an opportunity to make change, and we've
made changes, but there's one thing that stands in the way. 

There's one barrier named Bill Clinton, President Bill Clinton.  He talks
left and governs right, or talks right and governs left; which ever it is. 
He, he's never the same.  One day he's this way, and one day he's the next
day.  We need to remove that obstacle.  I think we've done an outstanding
job.  We, we've passed the first balanced budget in the generation, we
sent it to the President, and he vetoed it.  We passed welfare reform with
an overwhelming vote that every governor I know of and every ex-governor,
except Lamar Alexander, is for, and he vetoed that.  We passed tax cuts
for families with children, a five hundred dollar tax cut, and he vetoed
that.  We passed farm legislation, and he vetoed that.  One after another,
after another, after another, President Clinton vetoed it.  Now how do we
change it?  We've got the initiative, we've got the right program, as I
said in my opening statement, we're just one election away, one election
away from history of getting all these things done, or being on the way
done just one year from now.  Now, let me say finally, you know, we're not
perfect; we haven't had this opportunity for forty years.  We're gonna
pick up Senate seats and House seats in the Congress in 1996 if we have
the right nominee; if that nominee is Bob Dole. 

Brown:  Thank you Senator.  Congressman Dornan, you have one minute for
rebuttal. 

Dornan:  Thank you.  Uh, if Reagan were here, I guess he's say, "There you
go again," jumping on one or the other.  I'm glad Bob brought it back to
uh, to Clinton.  I'm the only person here from the House of Commons, the
people's house, the House of Representatives.  I signed the Contract of
American.  I spoke on the floor, and helped pass every part of it,
including no U.S. troops under foreign command which all of you get
standing ovations for out on the [inaudible].  I passed more laws that
Clinton had to sign in the year of '95 than everybody else put together
here because we haven't gotten to Dick Lugar's agriculture bill, and Bob
missed the great balance the budget uh, uh, strategy by one vote,
unfortunately, a good Republican.  Let me tell you folks something. Phil
Gramm said yesterday what my reason was for not being here enough to get
higher in the polls, he said he's going back to his work in the Senate.  I
never left my work in the House.  Bob may have kept Phil from being a
chairman, but I'm a chairman of an intelligence committee, and you're
looking at the chairman of military personnel, and later in this debate,
I'll tell you about ten amendments by Dornan that Clinton was forced to
sign. 

Brown:  Thank you Congressman.  Steve Forbes, one minute for rebuttal. 

Forbes:  Well, I think it's very clear that first we do need a Republican
president, and we do need a common agenda.  But part of the problem, too,
in Washington is they've confused means and ends.  Balancing a budget is a
means to an end, and the Republicans have for the moment, but only for the
moment, lost the high moral ground.  They should have been bolder, and not
bound by polls.  They should have had vision, starting with the tax code. 
It is a cesspool of special interests.  It is legalized corruption.  They
should have attacked it.  I think with a flat tax.  They should have
proposed a much more radical tax cut to take the pressure on two income
families.  Two incomes in a family can't do the job that one income could
in previous generations, and they could've gone a long way to helping that
with a substantial tax cut.  They also didn't put enough emphasis on
medical savings accounts, they got bogged down again in the swamp of
trying to cut benefits and raise co-pays and things like that.  With
medical savings accounts they could've given the American people who are
on Medicare more coverage, more control at less cost.  Why they didn't
make that the center piece, I don't know.  But, when I'm president, we
will have a common agenda, a bold agenda. 

Brown:  Thank you very much.  Mr. Keyes, you have one minute. 

Keyes:  I think what's clear is that the secret of the 1994 election was
the fact that Republicans were operating in an environment where the
Repub...the public overwhelmingly rejected the moral culture of the
Clinton administration and the democrat control Congress.  The Jocelyn
Elders, the gays in the military, the corruption rife in the Congress,
made people realize that the moral standards and values represented by the
Democrats were inadequate for the future.  It was that contrast between
Republicans and Democrats that elected an overwhelmingly pro-life, moral
conservative uh, freshman class for the Republicans.  But, we've lost
that.  They started grobbling over the money and grappling over the money,
and lost sight of the fact that the real crisis we face is a crisis of
moral vision and moral standards.  And that the choice is not just less
government, more government, less money, more money.  It's a choice
between big government and the strength of our families, the strength of
our hearts, the strength of our spirit of self-reliance as a
self-governing people.  When we start putting welfare back under the
control of churches instead of bureaucrats, when we put s, ka, schools
back under the control of parents instead of educrats, and when we finally
get ourselves back under control based on our reverence for God almighty
as mandated in our Declaration principles.  Then I think we'll have a
vision that will move the hearts of the country. 

Brown:  Thank you.  Senator Lugar. 

Lugar:  I believe Republicans have maintained them, the high ground for
moral values, and clearly for balancing the budget, and I think there's
still great opportunities for that to occur with Republican leadership in
the Congress working with the President.  But, I think we did mismanage
perceptions on the environment, on education, on the need for a safety net
for Americans who are very vulnerable, the [inaudible], and the helpless. 
As Republicans we'd better speak out quickly, that we're for the Clean Air
Act, the Clean Water Act, that we believe in a safety net for all
Americans and we believe very firmly that we're going to have to do a
great deal in education at a time when so many Americans are being laid
off and so many other Americans need re-education and real boosts.  Not
only the young, but the non-traditional students all the way through. 
We've got to speak out on those things.  It's not enough to balance the
budget and to say we're the most conservative.  We've got to be the most
forward-looking, the most statesman-like, and that will take some
re-gearing of management. 

Brown:  Mr. Taylor, your rebuttal. 

Taylor:  Well, number one, I think the '94 elections showed that the
American public are, uh, fed up with politicians.  They elected an awful
lot of them that weren't politicians, but when you get to Washington,
things just get messed up.  And the reason being is, personally I think
they've uh, they've lost focus on what we've got to do in this country. 
To balance the budget, the only one that can really balance the budget is
the President of the United States because he's got 3 million civilians
that work for him, he's got one and a half million men and women under the
military that work for him.  No one in Congress, no one Senator has the
authority hire and fire on that side.  But what else we have to do is we
got to look at jobs in this country, and that's a big frustration in
America.  I'm the only man up here who's ever created em, and I'm probably
the only man up here who really understands what's wrong with our trade. 
Our trade, we've got to have so that it is a fair trade.  We restrict, if
they restrict us going into their country, we restrict them.  You can't
put tariffs or duties; that just hurts the working, but you can restrict
it.  Bring the jobs back here.  That's what we have to do. 

Brown:  All right, thank you very much Mr. Taylor. 

Heath:  Karen will now ask a question beginning with Mr. Dornan. 

Brown:  Four years ago the number one issue in the New Hampshire
presidential primary was the economy.  Unemployment was high, real estate
was depressed, and the state still had not recovered from a local banking
crisis.  Four years later, the economy is growing, unemployment is low,
interest rates are low, the stock market is soaring, and inflation is
under control.  All of this is coming under President Bill Clinton's
watch.  Aren't we better off economically than we were four years ago? 
And, if so, why do we need a change in the White House?  Congressman
Dornan. 

Dornan:  Well, a two-part question.  All of this is in spite of Clinton
and Clinton in the White House.  I serve in the Congress, and I watch not
a single Republican in the House or the Senate vote for the most massive
tax increase in the history of civilization, since the Pharaohs ran a
slave system, and it destroyed a lot of democrats, uh, in 1994.  We would
be doing so much better now if it weren't for Clinton in the White House,
that we'd be an example to the whole world.  Things are on borrowed time. 
We have a $5 trillion debt.  I believe that there are already the kind of
people in the White....in the House of Representatives, the 73 freshmen,
the 40 or so sophomores that are left from uh, a tough election in '92. 
We are winning the victories that these people talk about. 

Aren't you gentlemen wired to C-Span?  Don't you watch the quality of
debate from the freshmen to some of the old, bull elephants?  We are
winning the day, and when we take the White House back and sink up the
House with the White House with the Senate, you watch this country truly
grow and then for my ten grandchildren and all of our children and your
beautiful Moira that I met today, Steve, you watch us begin to roll back
that debt which will unfortunately reach $6 trillion before we even start
to turn it around.  This is the Republican moment, and I don't know what
these people are watching in politics, but I feel like a fighter in the
arena, and I'm proud of my record. 

Heath:  Thank you Mr. Dornan.  Mr. Forbes, please answer Karen's question. 

Forbes:  Well, this recovery has been the slowest in the last fifty years,
it has been very sluggish, it is nothing to boast about.  America has the
capability of doing far, far better.  As a matter of fact, we're sort of
like a patient with walking pneumonia, we're out of bed, but we're not
very well.  All you have to do is go to families.  Look at two income
families who ask that question, why two incomes in a family can't seem to
do the job that one income could in previous generations.  Why do so many
young people feel that they won't have the opportunities to get ahead the
way their parents and grandparents did.  So, this economy could do better. 
It is burdened by taxes.  It is burdened by excessive regulation.  And,
they didn't reduce taxes, they didn't reduce regulations, they haven't
returned more control to the people, so the American economy is faltering. 
They haven't done enough to reduce trade barriers, or where they have they
haven't lived up to the spirit of that agreement by getting into higher
taxes and devaluation's which wreck countries around the world.  So, the
Clinton administration had an extraordinary opportunity to liberate the
American people by reducing the tax burden, replacing the corrupt tax
code, by reducing the burden on small businesses.  Because it's small
businesses is where the jobs are created.  In the 1980's we created 18 and
a half million new jobs, including a record number of high pay jobs. 
Fourteen million came from new businesses.  So, America can grow, America
can grow much, much faster than it is today.  And that's the core of my
campaign.  We must get these shackles off our legs, these fifty pound
cinder blocks off our legs and get America moving again.  Clinton can't do
it. 

Heath:  Thank you Mr. Forbes.  Mr. Keyes. 

Keyes:  I think it's clear that Bill Clinton should be defeated because
you're absolutely right, the money issues are not the real issues.  Folks
can go on quibbling, they can say this, they can say that, but the
American people, as usual, struggling even under the burdens of oppressive
taxation and over-regulation are moving this economy along.  That's not
Bill Clinton's doing, but we shouldn't run it down.  The real problem with
Bill Clinton is that he represents the anti-moral, anti-family
administration in the history of this country, that he has under his watch
seen our children increasing in their drug use, increasing in their
violence, our schools coming under the shadow of increasing moral
degeneracy and he has promoted it with his appointment, with his
viewpoints, with his support of the women's conference that represented a
wholesale assault on the values needed to sustain the American family.  If
we fight this election on money grounds, it's very likely that we will
lose.  But, if we fight it on the real grounds, the grounds of the assault
on American's moral foundation represented by Bill Clinton and his
anti-family, anti-moral policies, then we will bring before the American
people the real choice, the real crisis, the real opportunity to lay again
strong foundations for the twenty-first century that reach into our deep
traditions, our reverence for God, our discipline and responsibility
before God in the use of our freedom.  That's what Bill Clinton doesn't
understand, it's what he has forgotten, it's what we Republicans must
bring back to the forefront of American consciousness.  So, we restore the
real heart of this country; which is the beating heart of our moral
discipline and our moral responsibility.  Two things that Bill Clinton
seems to know nothing about. 

Heath:  Thank you Mr. Keyes.  Senator Lugar, you'll have a moment to, one
minute to respond. 

Lugar:  Well, in fairness to President Clinton, long before he came into
office American family income was flat.  We now know for the last twenty
years the average family has gained no money when discounted for
inflation.  We, we know the wage rates have been flat for five years

likewise, productivity in our economy.  Uh, we know in essence that we
have had low growth, so low the social security trust fund will go
bankrupt in the next century because it was predicated on three and a half
to four percent real growth, and Medi-care will go bankrupt much before
that, and we're trying to reform that as Republicans.  But the problem is
that President Clinton never saw th, those problems.  He still doesn't see
those problems.  He may get lucky.  He may be able to slide through 1996
with one percent growth of the economy or five-tenths of a percent, but he
might not be lucky.  We might have a recession, and there is nothing in
this administration's program that would prevent recession and massive
unemployment even during this campaign debate.  That is the tragedy of the
Clinton administration. 

Heath:  Senator, Senator Lugar thank you.  Mr. Taylor, you have a minute. 

Taylor:  Well, it's hard for me to believe that everything's rolling real
fine when you've got interest rates up at 8%, and you go over to Japan,
they're at 2%.  You, you're gonna have to build more base.  Uh, you go
around this state, and yes, you're right, you've got employment back up,
but you replaced high paying manufacturing jobs with $7-$8 jobs.  You
can't survive on that.  We've got a minimum wage that's $4.25.  That's
fine for 14-18, but after 18, you better move it to 7, and you better get
$10-$20 hour jobs here.  And the way you, the reason you can't is when
they talk about the small business guy, he can't pay more because what
happens it is the whole market is open to the foreigners, and they'll just
drop it in and run em out of business.  And, but you can't compete over
there.  We can't sell tires down in Mexico because they put a 20% duty on
it.  It's crazy.  The same with China.  You've got to wake up.  It's fine,
the economy's going great in Washington; look at the lobbyists, look at
all the firms.  You know, we've got to get some practicality.  And, you
know, you look at the tax structure.  The first thing you got to do is get
some jobs and cut Washington. 

Heath:  Thank you Mr. Taylor.  Mr. Alexander. 

Alexander:  Let's put this in the, in the real world.  While President
Clinton is up there in Washington saying the economy is getting better, at
the Burger King in Windham where I stopped on my walk across New
Hampshire, two of the women who work there's husbands lost their job in
the last month.  They don't think the economy's so good.  And there are a
lot of people driving to work in America every day uh, worried about
having a job when they get there because of down-sizing, world
competition, and the computer age.  Your choice is which one of us has the
most capacity to create good new jobs in the future?  I would suggest that
I've got some experience the others don't have.  I'm the only governor in
the race, and I helped our state going, go from being one of the poorest
to the fastest growing in family incomes by focusing on job growth and
education.  And then I did something that I think every politician ought
to be sentenced to do.  I helped to start a company under the rules I set
while I was in office.  I would change federal job training programs into
work scholarships.  That's one new idea to help people go from one job
that they lose to the next job, and our new tax system ought to make it
possible for pensions and for health care to follow you from one job to
the next. 

Heath:  Thank you Mr. Alexander.  Mr. Buchanan, one minute. 

Buchanan:  All right, no one's got to tell me how bad it was up here in
New Hampshire in 1991 and 92, because I came up here to protest the
economic policies of my own administration which were responsible for what
was going on here.  And I know how it was because I went through Laconia. 
There weren't houses for sale, they had auction signs in front of houses
all the way up to the north country.  I remember being at a cafeteria in
Nashua, and a woman came up to me and smiled and said, "Pat, I'm gonna
vote for you," then she broke down crying and she said, "I'm losing my
job, and they're taking my children.  What am I going to do?"  So, there
are economic problems then, and there are problems now, but the new
problems are different.  And let me tell you what they are.  There is the
economic insecurity of the middle class and the falling wages of working
class Americans.  And for the life of me I cannot understand why my
colleagues will not recognize that when you cut trade deals that force
Americans to compete with people making $1 an hour, and $.25 an hour in
China, and $.75 an hour in Singapore, wages are gonna go down, and they're
goin' down.  And for heaven's sakes, stand with me and do something to put
a stop to it and end what's going on. 

Heath:  Thank you Mr. Buchanan.  Senator Dole. 

Dole:  Well, we shouldn't play on people's fears.  We ought to play on
their hopes and aspirations.  And I, too, remember what it was like up
here, and remember how much it's increased despite Bill Clinton.  Despite
the biggest tax in, increase in the history of America - $265 billion,
despite vetoing welfare reform and tax credits for families with children
and a balanced budget.  But, in the interim, now, there are about six
hundred thousand people working in New Hampshire.  There's been a growth
in that, uh, about 51,000 over the past few years, so they've made a lot
of progress.  The unemployment rate's about 3.3%, we've got about 1,000
companies in New Hampshire who export, export!  They couldn't do that if
they had Pat Buchanan's theory - he'd build a wall around America, you
couldn't export anything.  There are people like Cabletron, Polivac,
Lockheed, creates about 35,000 jobs in New Hampshire, so all this high
tech, all these things happening in New Hampshire and New England, on the
plus side.  And New Hampshire's on the move primarily because of an
outstanding governor, and the legislature working together.  Not because
of Bill Clinton, because he, again, was an impediment. 

Brown:  Thank you very much Senator.  Jack will ask the next question, and
the first person to answer will be Senator Lugar. 

Heath:  Senator, perhaps more than any other single issue the people
watching you tonight at home, I don't want to speak for them, but I think
if their, had one concern it would be if they lose their job tomorrow,
what are their chances of getting as good if not a better job the next
day, and as this economy changes world-wide and in New Hampshire,
companies have to adapt, and we see all these mergers going on.  Many New
Hampshire companies are benefiting from expanding global markets,
world-wide exporting.  Some of you support the NAFTA and trade agreements
such as GATT.  Some of you do not.  Please form an answer where you stand
on NAFTA and GATT and how companies can grow.  And if you're for it,
explain why.  If you're against it, why, as to what pertains to New
Hampshire companies and jobs. 

Lugar:  I strongly favor NAFTA and GATT.  I strongly favor any opportunity
to knock down export barriers because that is the primary way we will gain
new jobs in our country, and the primary way we are gaining new jobs now. 
The facts are very clear that American strengths, diplomatically, and
politically, and militarily has got to be combined with our strength
economically to knock down those barriers.  I'll make no mistake about it,
there has been a net gain in jobs in our country; a net gain in income. 
There have been specific losses in some industries, and specific jobs have
been lost here in New Hampshire, as well as in my home state of Indiana. 
But we have got to take a look at the future of our country in terms of
all of us.  And that means we are low cost producers again and again.  We
are the most ingenious people in the world.  Where we have free
competition, we will succeed.  If we are not powerful economically and
militarily, and we do not have a strong foreign policy, we will not
succeed.  We will lose jobs if we go protectionist and isolationist.  We
will gain jobs if we take leadership in the world.  As a businessman, I
exported, I created jobs, I know how to do it, and I speak to small
business very strongly in this country.  And to farmers, who this year
exported more pork than we imported for the first time in 43 years.  Why? 
Because we battered down the doors, and GATT and NAFTA did the job for
farmers, for meat packers, for those who wanted more jobs. 

Brown:  Thank you Senator.  Mr. Taylor, you have a minute-thirty to
respond. 

Taylor:  Well, number one, NAFTA and GATT are a joke if you've traded
world-wide and no disrespect to Senator Lugar, but he's been a senator for
twenty-five years and a mayor before then, so I don't know when he was
tradin' overseas.  But that's the problem in Washington - they're out of
touch.  Here's what it is - the U.S., our market is the world's largest
market.  All right?  You turn around and we're losing it, folks.  You
cannot take farm tires and sell them into Mexico.  It all sounds great,
free trade, but they don't read their own agreements.  Number one, it
says, seven years, ten years, twenty years before they open the markets. 
What do the senators and all the congressmen think the people are going to
do when they lose their jobs next week?  Because our own government will
help me close all of our plants today, fifteen of them in this country,
and move them to China.  No duties to send the tires back, but can we send
tires today over there?  No.  Can you send wheels?  No.  Right here in New
Hampshire, Timberland, they make shoes, maybe someone's got a pair on,
they sell for $110 here.  You go over to Europe, $250.  The company's not
making that profit - they slap it on.  You wanna talk about pork?  Well,
I, let's go to Europe.  It sells for about $.65 a pound versus $.50 out in
Iowa.  Our farmers can beat anybody in the world, but is the markets all
open to 'em?  No.  Only opens up when they want it.  It's the same with
everything.  You have the market, you've got to learn, you're the big dog
and they want to trade here, and if they won't open their markets,
restrict 'em.  We'll build the stuff here, and that's what we've got to do
if you want to get jobs. 

Brown:  Thank you Mr. Taylor.  Mr. Alexander, you have one minute, thirty
seconds. 

Alexander:  Thank you.  I favor the trade agreements, and let me tell you
how I learned my lesson.  I became governor of one of the poorest states. 
We had to get our family incomes up.  The way we did it was to join the
world.  We recruited international investment, and we got busy selling our
soybeans and our cotton and our corn and our Jack Daniels and our country
music, and now we're ready to sell our Saturn cars around the world.  Of
course we were losing jobs, but I found out very early that if all I did
was fly down to Memphis and get in the newspaper trying to persuade
International Harvester not to close, they were going to close anyway, and
I wasn't going to be much of a governor.  So, I kept my focus on the job
spigot, not the job drain.  We also need a president who's prepared to say
to Japan, for example, that if we're ready to sell our Saturns in Tokyo,
the ones that are made in Tennessee, then you'd better let us run around
in your market just like we let your Toyota sellers run around in our
market.  But we can never raise our standard of living by protectionism,
by building a wall around the country.  That's not putting America first. 
That's putting America last, that's a lack of confidence.  That's not a
rising, shining America.  We need lower taxes, we need less regulations,
we need a focus on university research for technology, we need better
schools.  That's the way to have the kind of future that we need. 

Brown:  Thank you Mr. Alexander.  Mr. Buchanan, you have one minute for
rebuttal. 

Buchanan:  All right.  Sure, NAFTA was really a wonderful deal for
America.  Two years after we negotiated and signed it, our trade surplus
is gone, we've got a $15 billion trade deficit with Mexico, 300,000 jobs
have gone south, the Florida winter tomato industry is on it's back,
illegal immigration is soaring into this country, Mexico is the prime
source of narcotics and drugs, and my good friend, Senator Dole negotiated
a $50 billion bail-out with Bill Clinton for the regime that brought this
all about.  Why?  Because Mexico needed the money to pay back Citibank,
Chase Manhattan, and Goldman Sacks.  Now, I plead guilty, Bob, to wanting
to protect American workers making ten bucks an hour in South Carolina
textile mills from having to compete with Mexicans making a buck an hour. 
That's just not fair.  That is un-American.  But Bob, when Citibank, Chase
Manhattan, and Goldman Sacks got into trouble, you turned into a
protectionist with Bill Clinton, and Mr.  Reuben and Mr. Greenspan, and
all of you got together and bailed out that government.  Why didn't you
let those fellows test the magic of the marketplace like you want American
workers to do? 

Brown:  Thank you.  Senator Dole, you have a minute. 

Dole:  Let, let me say that first of all the problem is not with NAFTA and
GATT, I supported.  The problem is with President Clinton.  He's been less
than aggressive in, in effect to be an aggressive trade policy.  He's got
anti-dumping provisions, anti-substitute provisions.  We have provisions
of law called Section 301 where you can take action to protect American
workers.  He hasn't done it.  He hasn't done it, time after time after
time.  As far as the Mexican bail-out is concerned, and of course this is
a position ah, Pat Buchanan was a free trader not too many years ago, he
used to write about it, I used to read his columns, but he's changed his
mind.  We ship about, uh, $3 billion in exports per month to Mexico.  It
creates a lot of jobs in America.  Now, if we didn't have the Mexican, the
so-called Mexican bail-out was recommended by the Chairman of the Fed.,
Alan Greenspan and others, because had we not done that, there would be
millions and millions of Mexicans coming across the border, would increase
our costs for health care, education, and everything else.  You talk about
an il, illegal immigration flood, this would've been a flood.  It's gonna
steady off, it's gonna give a little time to work.  But, if I'm the
President of the United States, I'll use the weapons Congress gave me to
make certain we get a fair deal in Mexico and the European countries. 

Brown:  Thank you Senator.  We'll now hear from the Congressman from
California. 

Dornan:  Three of us who weren't uh, ditching most of the final debates
were in Derry last night - Alan, Dick Lugar, and myself.  And a veteran in
a wheelchair said, "Congressman, we, uh, we don't have it as good as the
people in Mexico."  And I pointed out to him that I voted against GATT
because of the World Trade Organization.  I also voted against it because
it was after the November 8th election of 94, and 36 defeated members of
Congress, big taxers and spenders like Danny Rostenkowsky (sp?) of Chicago
were getting to vote on a World Trade Organization.  I told the veteran
last night, "The Mexican president who went to Harvard and was a free
trader, Salinas, is in shameful exile in Mexico because his brother, Raul,
is in president, uh, in prison for having tried to allegedly to ah, kill
the number one front-runner in the presidential election.  Mexico's in sad
shape.  I voted for NAFTA as a free trader, hoping that we could reach out
and treat Mexico the way we treat Canada, as friendly North Americans. 
The problem is the country is corrupt under one party rule, and the jury
is still out on the NAFTA vote.  Everybody here made sense. 

Brown:  Thank you Congressman.  Mr. Forbes. 

Forbes:  It is essential for America to work to reduce trade barriers.  We
are now the most competitive nation in the world.  We tried high tariffs
in the past, we tried isolation, I, is, ism in the past, and we got a
great depression as the result.  America, because it's competitive, must
reduce, not only reduce trade barriers with their neighbors, but with
countries like Japan, as well.  The problem with NAFTA, which I supported,
was not reducing trade barriers, it was the fact that the Clinton
administration and the Mexican government, neither have lived up to the
spirit of that agreement.  They put in a massive devaluation a little over
a year ago with the express purpose of making it harder for our products
to enter Mexico, and easier for Mexican products to enter into the United
States.  That is wrong.  That is not free trade.  Because America's
competitive, I'm gonna, when I'm president, we're gonna start trade
negotiations with countries like Japan for a free trade agreement. 
Everyone says, gee, that's not possible.  Well, it took five years, six
years to do one in Canada.  It may take ten or twelve years in Japan, but
when we reduce these barriers, America creates jobs and high paying jobs.

Mr. Forbes:  It is essential for America to work to reduce
trade barriers. We are now the most competitive nation in
the world.  We tried high tariffs in the past. We tried
isolationism in the past. We got a great depression as the
result.  America because its competitive, must reduce not
only reduce trade barriers with its neighbors, but with
countries like Japan as well.  The problem with NAFTA, which
I supported, was not reducing trade barriers.  It was the
fact that the Clinton Administration and the Mexican
government, neither have lived up to the spirit of that
agreement.  They put in a massive devaluation a little over
a year ago, with the expressed purpose of making it harder
for our products to enter Mexico, easier for Mexican
products to enter into the United States.  That is wrong. 
That is not free trade.  Because America is competitive, I'm
goin', when I'm President, I'm going to start trade
negotiations with countries like Japan for a free trade
agreement.  Everyone says, "Gee, that's not possible." 
Well, it took five, six years to do one in Canada.  It may
take ten or twelve years in Japan.  But, when we produce
these barriers, America creates jobs and high paying jobs.

Speaker:  Mr. Keyes

Mr. Keyes:  You know, I think its pretty obvious that NAFTA
has proven to be a raw deal and I think that its pretty
obvious, as well, that the GATT and the World Trade
Organization were a basic surrender of America sovereignty,
giving control over our borders for trade purposes to a
bunch of unelected foreigners where we only had one vote in
determining and defending America's interests.  Ah, I think
that we have to talk about free trade in terms of whether
that free trade is fair to the American worker.  And whether
we are in fact having the kind of leadership that vigorously
pursues the access to foreign market that we need to create
jobs in this country.  And I don't think we have had that
kind of leadership, not with Japan, and not with others. 
But I also want to caution against the rhetoric that I'm
listening to ..Mr. Buchanan, Mr. Dole and others, beaten up
on the corporation, talking as if the government is going to
guarantee everybody a job with the trade policies and this
policy and that policy.  They sound like a bunch of
Socialists, not a bunch of Republicans.  And I'm getting a
little tired of it.  I think we need to got back to the
understanding that Republicans and conservatives stand for
free market, stand for looking to the world strongly to open
those markets to America and that we are not in favor of
those agreements that actually represent international
socialism anymore then workman's [inaudible] socialism.

Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Keyes.  I'm surprised none of you
jumped in there.  I want to thank you.  Carol will now ask a
question with a 1:30 response beginning with Mr. Buchanan.

Carol:  Now, the social security trust fund will have a
surplus of 525 billion dollars at the end of 1996.  Because
of changing demographics by the year 2029, its reserves will
be depleted and it will be paying out more than what it
takes in.  Some suggest raising the retirement age to 70 or
72.  Still, others suggest a means test or an affluence
test.  And still others suggest privatizing the system. 
Many younger workers who are paying into the system have
little or no confidence they will ever see a return on their
investment.  What do you say to workers in their twenties
and thirties?  How to you propose to revamp the system?  
Mr. Buchanan.

Mr. Buchanan:  Quite simply, sure, got a minute and a half?
[inaudible]

Speaker:  Yes.

Mr. Buchanan:  Quite simply I don't think I'm gonna to need
to take that time because I might devote it to something
else.  Quite simply you're gonna have in 1997, if you have a
Republican President, a Republican Senate, a Republican
House, we're gonna to have to sit down together and we're
gonna have to make that system solve it.  Many of the ideas
you've got will be right on the table.  You know I'm not
going to go into which ones its going to come down to, but
we will have to do it, we have an obligation to do it.  Let
me take up the issue mentioned by Senator Dole.  Senator
Dole said if we hadn't bailed out of Mexico with 50 billion
dollars, why, all these immigrants would come screaming
across the border.

Sen. Dole:  It's going to be repaid too Pat, I [inaudible]
it's gonna be repaid.  

Mr. Buchanan:  Lots of luck Bob.

Sen. Dole:  We're not gonna lose one cent, we took care of
that [inaudible].

Mr. Buchanan:  Bob, you're not gonna get a dime of that
money back. Let me give my answer here.  Bob said all these
illegal aliens were going to come across our border. They
wouldn't come across the border if Pat Buchanan were
President of the United States.  I would have a security
fence across all those areas of mass transit into this
country.  We would stop illegal immigration cold because
that is a constitutional duty of the President of the United
States; to protect the borders of America, the states of
America from foreign invasion.  And that's what's taking
place with one, two, three million people walking across our
borders every year.  Some of them going into crime.  Some of
them going on welfare.  Most of them coming for work.  Our
immigration laws are being violated and either the Congress
of the Untied States or the President of the United States
are faithfully executing the laws of the United States, and
when we get there they will be faithfully executed and
illegal immigration into this country at that southern
border will be stopped cold.  You have my word. 

Speaker:  Mr. Buchanan, thank you.  Senator Dole, you have a
minute-thirty.

Sen. Dole:  The question was social security?

Speaker:  Yeah.

Sen. Dole:  Just wanted to check.  I remember in 1983 when
social security was about to be bankrupt.  Had Ronald Reagan
in the White House, Republican, Tip O'Neil, Democratic
Speaker.  They appointed a commission.  I was proud to be on
that commission of such diverse [inaudible] Democratic
Congressman from Florida to the chair.  The champion of
senior citizens.  We rescued social security from
bankruptcy.  It's gonna be in good shape when you say maybe 
20, 10, maybe 20, probably it's about 2020.  You say 2020
[inaudible] will run out of money.  We're going to have to
go back and address it again.  We're going to have to go
back and address it, maybe, maybe take a look at the age.
You're living longer, a lot of good things are ahead.  We've
got better medicine, all these things are happening.  People
are much better off as far as health is concerned for a
long, long time.  We also need to look at some alternatives,
whether its individual retirement accounts or other means. 
Let younger people invest, so they can, ya know, have
something to supplement their social security.  There are a
lot of things we can do just within 1983.  There is only one
member here that was on that commission that rescued social
security and that's Bob Dole.  Let me say a thing:  Pat's
really got carried away tonight, I don't know what's
happened to ya.  Bad day or something?

Mr. Buchanan:  Well I know you were on that commission.

Sen. Dole:  Ya.

Mr. Buchanan:  You raised social security taxes more than...

Sen. Dole:  No, it was...

Mr. Buchanan:  ...any tax increase in American history.

Sen. Dole:  That's right, becuase we saved social security
and 37 million Americans are getting, getting their, getting
their checks every month.  But Pat's off on this
isolationist kick.  Build a fence around America.  Now,
let's face it, the thing we got to do in Mexico is to get
this NAFTA thing or get a good, strong President, use
weapons Congress gave him and prove the economy of Mexico. 
Those people will stay home.  If they don't, we do have a
reasonability.  Bob Dole will have that responsibility in
1997 and if not we ought to supplement or compensate the
states who have to pick up the slack on Medicaid, health
care, and other th, uh, education, other costs they incur
becuase of illegals.

Speaker:  Thank you, Senator.  Representative Dornan, you
have a minute, thirty as well.

Rep. Dornan:  Good citizens of New Hampshire, this is what
it's like in the Republican [inaudible]. Now we're on track,
we're on the issues, we're fine tuning, and we're arguing
back and forth on substance.  I represent a fifty-four
percent Hispanic-American district. It's 10% Asian, it's 1%
African-American and it's democrat by 11%.  I must be doing
something right.  Here is the problem with the electric
third rail social security.  I hope George Stephanopolous is
listening.  Stop the vicious scare rhetoric tearing up the
senior citizens in this country and ruining their golden
years.  There's plenty of money for the next couple of
decades.  It's after that when my children who straddle the
Baby Boom generation and the excellent generation, and I
repeat Sally, and I have ten more coming up to fill in that,
we must begin.  I do, you, you suggested to add a year every
two or three years to our retirement age.  There is no
reason why we shouldn't start retiring at uh, 77,
eventually, maybe in the middle of next century.  Thanks to
uh, the Republicans in the House and in the Senate, we
didn't let them destroy the best health system in all of
history in the world today extending our lives.  There are
ways to fix it, but the problem is out there, twenty-thirty
years and we can fix it.  Particularly if the American
voters will give us four years for the first time in sixty-
eight years with one continuity of House, Senate and the
White House.

Speaker:  Thank you, Mr. Dornan.  Mr. Forbes, you'll have
one minute.

Mr. Forbes:  Thank you very much.  That 1983 rescue of the
social security system, Senator, was very typical of the way
Washington solves problems.  They raise taxes, they raise
taxes and they cut benefits.  We need to do it a new way. 
Turn the problem into an opportunity, which is the core of
my campaign.  We must keep our promises to those that are on
the system and those who are going to go on the system in
the next 15 years in terms of benefits.  But we know and
younger Americans know, the system is gonna go 'kaput' by
the time they retire.  So why not, while we still have time,
do something unusual, twenty years ahead of the time before
we crash, and that is have a new system for younger people,
where a portion of their payroll tax, instead of going to
subside the national debt in Washington, would instead go
into their own individual savings for retirement account. 
This way it takes it out of the hands of the Washington
politicians.  The money is invested in the real American
economy, which makes America stronger and younger people
will have a genuine retirement instead of a bankrupt system
today.

Speaker:  Thank you, Mr. Keyes one minute.

Mr. Keyes:  Well I've always said that the key to social
security is fairly simple.  Keep the promises we've made, so
that those people who in good faith, pay into the system
receive the benenfits that they feel they're entitled.  B,
But stop making promises we can't keep.  The new
generation's coming along and we know we will not be able to
sustain in terms of the benefits they will be expecting. 
Open the system up to alternatives that allow them to invest
in the private sector. We'll get a better answer.  But I do
kinda wish people would stop pretending that the social
security system was some how resolved, the problem resolved. 
What they did in the 1980s was to issue license for this
huge I.O.U., this mythological social security trust fund. 
That is an I.O.U. signed by the tax payers of today to be
paid by the tax payers of tomorrow from a worker base that
won't be large enough to sustain the payment.  I think it's
unconscienciable that we have politicians who claim that
that was a solution.  It was sure typical, take the burden,
make sure your political butt is safe, and then shipped it
off to the future cause you won't be around to have to
answer for it.  That is unconscienciable, and I think to
call that a solution is just fooling the American people and
misrepresenting the truth Mr. Dole.

Sen. Dole:  President Reagan felt, I was happy to work with
President Reagan.

Speaker:  Thank you ah, Mr. Keyes.  Thank, thank you Mr.
Keyes.  We'll move on to Senator Lugar. You have one minute.

Sen. Lugar:  Well the solution in 1983 ah, would have worked
if we had had three and a half to four percent real growth
in the economy.  That was our experience with the first
three quarters of the century, it has not been our
experience since.  The basic way to secure the problem is to
get growth back to three and a, and a half, four percent.  I
was surprised yesterday that President Clinton's accounts
were applauded.  [Inaudible] 2.3 percent growth is the nat,
but the golden years have come.  Well, what the fact is the
golden years are bankrupting social security.  Everytime the
growth gets to 2.5 percent the Fed. hits the panic button
and interest rests are raised.  Obviously, growth is the
best answer.  The second good answer is what Steve Forbes
mentioned.  We've got to give young people a chance to put a
part of their money into I.R. rates, self direct.  And
finally we shall have to raise the retirement age if in fact
we're all going to grow older.  Medical science keeps us
alive.  As a practical matter, we will have to do that for
many Americans in the next century.  

Speaker:  Thank you, Senator.  Mr. Taylor you have one
minute.

Mr. Taylor:  Well, it's not that complicated.  Take all the
Congressman, take the President, take the Senators, and take
all the federal government workers and stick them on social
security.  Knock 'em off their pension, stick 'em on social
security and then do like Steve Forbes said, the same thing
with the youngers, set up a separate.  Because you know if
all Congressman and Senators and the President and
bureaucrats are on it, you won't have to worry about social
security.
 
A Candidate:  I'm on social security.

Mr. Taylor:  And uh, well you should retire then.  Let a job
from some young person.  Number two, we gotta get the jobs
back.  When you listen to all this talk about NAFTA and
GATT.  And I'll say that Governor uh, Al, Alexander down
there, and number one I've got a plant for Tenneseee, 500
employees and raise taxes an awful lot.  And those plants
that came in there.  Number one, they only came in  because
you see, we restricted.  It wasn't open, they would have
never come.  They were restricted to sell in the United
States.  Harley Davidson wouldn't be here today if we didn't
restrict the Japanese from flooding our markets, restrict
'em, no duties, no tariffs, restrict 'em. Now, Harleys rule
the world and Honda and Kawasaki have their plants here. 
That's how you get trade.
 
Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Taylor.  Mr. Alexander.

Mr. Alexander:  Mr. Taylor, I assume you have your plants in
Tennessee because its such a good place to have them because
you have the fifth lowest taxes of any state in the country.


Mr. Taylor:  No, I've got something to add.

Mr. Alexander:  The real issue here, the real issue here is
which one of us would you trust as President dealing with
the two issues we've been discussing.  Now here's what I
would do about social security.  I'd lead us through a
discussion about retirement savings and social security. 
You have to clear the deck because it effects everyone.  Our
objectives would be three.  Number one, to make sure that
everyone gets what they are already entitled.  Number w,
two, that we begin to look at new options, especially for
newer and younger members of, of, of the retirement plan so
they can have their own savings accounts or whatever other
options there might be.  And three, to make sure that it's
[inaudible].  Here's what I would do about illegal
immigration.  Within the first six months that I'm
President, I would ask the Joint Chiefs to recommend a new
branch of the Armed Services to control the borders, both
for illegal drugs and for illegal immigration.  We have to
control the borders.  And one reason we must do it is our
failure to do so poisons our attitude towards legal
immigrants.  Legal immigrants who are here, playing by the
rules, paying taxes just like you and I do, have a right to
be treated with respect and differently then people who are
illegal here.

Speaker:  Thank you very much Mr. Alexander. Jack will ask
the next question.  Mr. Forbes you will be the first to
answer.

Jack:  Mr. Forbes, if you were to see a Washington where the
name calling and the price of politics in public life was
getting so steep the respect of people like Bill Bradley or
Senator Bill Cohen are saying its not worth it and going
home to their families or business.  The New Hampshire
people have been bombarded in recent months with negative
paid political ads.  Yes, political advertising is part of a
campaign success or failure.  Not all of you are guilty of
engaging in this, but I would like each of you to answer
this question.  Please justify your own ad campaigns, please
comment on the negativity that New Hampshire is seeing, and
why haven't you all done paid ads that talk about positive
issues, such as job creation, how you'd cut back crime,
where you stand on gun control.  Mr. Forbes?

Mr. Forbes:  When I began this campaign, I did something
unusual in American politics.  And that is I went directly
to issues on the flat tax to get America growing again, term
limits, lower interest rates, four and a half percent
mortgages, medical savings accounts, and new social security
for younger people, system for younger people, and parental
control of education.  I also thought it was legitimate to
discuss my opponents who promised one thing before an
election then do something the opposite after the election. 
For example, in 1988, Senator Dole said he saw no need to
raise taxes, yet two years later he was leading the biggest
tax increase, one of the biggest tax increases in American
history.  That I thought was a legitimate discussion for
debate.  Now, you see Lamar Alexander, he's now engaging in
ads distorting my position and calling me a Wall Street
insider.  Well, as a Wall Street insider, many of us were
impressed when Hillary Clinton turned one thousand dollars
into one hundred thousand dollars.  But, I was really
astonished when I learned that as Governor, Governor
Alexander turned one dollar into six hundred and twenty
thousand dollars.  So, when he says ABC, that Alexander
beats Clinton, what he meant was not Bill Clinton, but
Hillary Clinton.  I thought that discussing where people say
one thing and then do another, ethically, and the taxes and
spending was legitimate.  But I made a mistake in Iowa, I
spent too much time discussing my opponents, not enough
time, not enough time on my issues of growth and
opportunity.  But I have learned I've withdrawn all those
ads, [inaudible] others do 'em, I won't do it again.

Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Forbes.  Mr. Keyes, you have one
minute thirty seconds. 

Mr. Keyes:  Well, you know I, I wasn't guilty of any
negative advertising in Iowa, but that's at least partly
because I wasn't guilty of any advertising.  [Laughter]  I
did manage to achieve ah, seven and a half percent of the
vote on the strength of strong grass root support, for which
I spent twelve dollars a vote compared to I understand was
it 4,000, Steve, or 400,000?  I forget but it's a lot of
money, you got to admit.  And I think a lot of what's going
on, the negative advertising, the saturation of commercials,
all of this stuff is due to the fact that we really have
folks who don't have that much substance to offer the
American people and instead are trying to manipulate their
perceptions with slick ad campaigns and so forth and so on. 
All made up of course.  The consultants to the polling, they
do the focus groups, they figure out what the hot button is
and write out a commercial.  Does it represent your heart? 
Does it represent your real knowledge, your experience?  Who
knows, but you pay for it and off you go.  That kind of
store bought politician is exactly the reason we have the
problems we have today.  People who are not speaking from
their hearts, but instead are speaking from the scripts
prepared for them by what people can buy.  I think it's time
we decided we don't want the best President that money can
buy.  But in fact, we want the best President that in our
judgment can address the issues, see clearly what our real
priorities ought to be and address those priorities, in
particular that relate to the things that are really
happening to our children, in our schools, in our
neighborhoods, on our streets.  I don't see that from these
money [inaudible] fellows I am running with right now,
because if I saw it, they would talk more about family, less
about money, more about morals, and less about the dollar,
that in fact, are being wasted on programs in Washington
that have helped to destroy the moral fabric and families of
this country.


Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Keyes.  Senator Lugar.

Sen. Lugar:  Alan Keyes is right, that there's a fraternity
of campaign consultants who advise people running for
President as well as a governor or a state-wide for senator,
to strike first and to throw the mud and throw it fast.  And
with the mud splatters it's impossible to so-called, to find
the issues and the candidates they're running against. 
We've all had that kind of advice.  My own judgment is that
bad advice, that candidates who use negative advertising
demean their opponents and may hinder them, but they also
demean themselves.  This campaign is already so demeaning,
the political process in this country, that Americans wonder
what kind of a party we have and what kind of people inspire
the Presidency.  Not only has it been more negative
advertising, but the money invested in one state in Iowa was
world class and that will continue here in New Hampshire if
New Hampshire people don't say very clearly, "Cut it out". 
I pledge not to use negative advertising.  I have not done
so in this campaign.  I have not done so in Senate
campaigns.  I won big, with two-thirds of the vote in
Indiana the last two times because I appeal to Independents
and to Democrats.  I said I want to unify the state and now
I want to unify the country.  You don't do that with vicious
polarization that negative advertising creates.  So I say
again a vote for Dick Lugar is a vote for clean campaigning,
a vote to end negative campaigning.  It's important to cast
that vote now.

Speaker:  Thank you very much Senator.  Mr. Taylor you have
one minute for rebuttal.

Mr. Taylor:  Yeah, don't put those terrorist ads on either,
you're gonna scare the kids.  Number ah, number one, I
haven't done any negative ads.  I went and said, "Hey, you
want to balance the budget?  You can balance the budget by
cutting one-third.  Just start at the top, you cut one-third
of the bureaucrats at a hundred and forty-three thousand
dollar a year salary.  There's three thousand, knock it down
to two, bring it down.  Number two, is I talked about jobs
in the trade.  As I'm the only on up here whose really done
it internationally.  Number three  was taxes, two percent,
ten percent, seventeen percent.  I did like Steve's mind on
the ABC's, but he forget one thing.  Hillary and Lamar would
not pay any taxes under his flat tax program because it
would be capitol gains.  At least under the Taylor, there's
seventeen percent, they would pay seventeen percent and
everybody's got to pay taxes.  The ads, you know, only in
the political race can someone tell something about a
politician and then tells what they did later, it becomes
negative.  It's kind of crazy, but um, I'm not a politician
so I'm not into it so we'll just leave it right there and
you got some free time.

Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Taylor.  Mr. Alexander you have one
minute.

Mr. Alexander:  Well, I'm glad to be getting so ah, so much
attention.  The reason I did well in Iowa was because I kept
on the high road, my television ads were positive, about
what I'm for, the future, and people got sick of Senator
Dole and Mr. Forbes slammin' each other.  And they pretty
well persuaded a lot of Iowans that they were right in what
they were saying about each other and a lot of them voted
for me. Uh, as far as Mr. Forbes goes, he knows what a
capital gain is, I was proud of that.  The reason everyone
knows about that is I've disclosed my tax returns.  Since
1978, even when I'm in private life.  Steve, why don't you
disclose your tax returns as well?  If your tax cutting
agenda is our agenda then we need to know what taxes you
pay.  And if we're not careful we're going to spend all of
out time here talking about each other.

Mr. Forbes:  You as Governor, have invested 20 million
dollars in various scams.  You have gotten 1.9 million
dollars returned for it.

Mr. Alexander:  Steve.

Mr. Forbes:  1.9 million dollars.

Speaker:  Mr. Alexander you may procede.

Mr. Alexander:  Thank you very much.  Steve, since 1978,
I've released all of my tax returns to the public.  Your
main agenda is tax returns.  You say your that your tax plan
will cut taxes for most people.  What does it do to your
taxes?  And if you're going to be in public life, you'll,
you'll need to let us know about that.  One of my ads...

Speaker:  [inaudible] Governor.

Mr. Alexander:  ...not negative, is about conservation.  I
think we need to do a much better job as champion of the
great...

Speaker:  Thank, thank you Mr. Alexander.

Mr. Alexander:  ...American outdoors and I'd like to have a
chance to talk about it.

Speaker:  Mr. Buchanan, you have a minute.

Mr. Buchanan:  Alright, what we've demonstrated in this
campaign is how a well run campaign that deals only
positively with issues, doesn't have a lot of money, can
carry this country.  In the great state of Alaska Steve, I
think you spent 400,000.  We spent about 60 to 80 thousand,
we won the state of Alaska.  In Iowa, Bob Dole outspent me
five to one, and Steve about eight to one.  Bob started with
something like a fifty-five to five lead over me, by the end
of the night, on Caucus night it was three points.  This
campaign is on fire because we don't care about doing
television attack ads.  We got a vision and an agenda we
know that a slew of attack ads and negative ads is no
substitute for  an agenda for America.  Ideas, dealing with
immigration, dealing with tax reform, dealing with bringin'
the jobs back to America.  That's what we got and I think
that really, a vision of America is what is missing from
many of these campaigns.  When they use attack ads, there's
a hollowness at the core of the campaign.  There's no
thought, there's no heart.  It's just attack, attack,
attack.  And I think, quite frankly, that that's what this,
a couple of these campaigns right now.

Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Buchanan.  Senator Dole.

Sen. Dole:  Well, we do have a right of self-defense in
America.  And I stood by from October twenty-third when
Steve Forbes started hammering me until January twelvefh,
almost three months I took negative, negative, millions and
millions of dollars worth of negative ads.  They didn't even
use a good picture of me.  So Steve, I brought some
pictures.  Next time you run one, use this picture, it's
better of me and my wife [inaudible] and that's my little
dog Liter in this picture, he's the one on the right.  So, I
know all about negative ads [inaudible], if you're going to
use negative ads...

Mr. Forbes:  Senator, no pretty picture can get around what
you did on taxes 

Sen. Dole:  Yea, right, I, I, I know, I know you're problem. 
You got a lot of money.  You want to buy this election, but
this election's not for sale.  You hammered my positive
rating from eighty to thirteen.  You now have it down to
fifty-four.  That's what you did with negative ads.  Nobody
else has been the victim of negative ads up here except...

Speaker:  Thank you.

Sen. Dole:  ...Bob  Dole.  But, we're going to be very, very
positive.

Speaker:  Senator Dole thank you.

Sen. Dole:  We're going to be on the offense because we've
got the ideas for America...

Speaker:  Congressman Dornan, you have a minute.

Mr. Dornan:  Thank you.  Well,  the Senator gave me my
opportunity.  Feel free on camera three to zoom in on Molly
Una Dornan.  Molly-o is number ten.  And I'm in the arena as
a [now wispering] politician, a Washington insider [back to
normal voice level] to try to serve the history of my
country to try to make this world better than the world was
given to me.  My dad was wounded three times in World War I
and my mother read nothing but politics and biographies and
raised me maybe not to be the good business man my father
was, you remind me of him Morry.  He was an honest, hard
charging business man, but he raised his sons to try and
affect history a little more from the inside and there is
nothing wrong with that.  I have a solution.  Now you can't
pass a law for this but we'd all have to take a promise that
every word in our ads is spoken by us.  I don't think my pal
Bob would call my friend Pat an extremist, if he had to do
his own narration on camera.  Let's all narrate everything
we say.  And don't go to far Dick, there are comparison ads. 
And I want to go after Clinton.  And I'm afraid if you take
that attitude he'll eat you for lunch.

Speaker:  Thank You, Congressman Dornan.

Speaker:  In order to get in our last question we're going
to now say that the direct answer will be a minute and the
rebuttal will be a minute so we can get in our last
question.  Access to health care is a major concern for
millions of middle-class Americans.  There are many
individuals and families without health insurance.  Many who
are underinsured, who are ineligible for Medicaid and
Medicare.  Where does the responsibility lie for insuring
these forgotten members of the middle class and how should
their health care coverage be funded?  We will start with
Mr. Taylor. 

Mr. Taylor:  Well, first thing that you should do is you
should exempt the whole medical field for malpractice.  I
mean ah, we can set up for people who have a problem, get
ah, compensated.  Take the lawyers out of it.  I know that's
hard for Congress to do with so many of them in there.  But,
that's the first thing.  Number two, is you got to bring the
administration down ah, all the costs of the uh, layers that
we have put in there from the government regulations. 
Number three, we got to look at the drug companies.  I mean,
we can have drugs in the US that sell for thirty dollars and
they sell for seven in Mexico.  That's wrong.  We've got to
bring it back and um, get it back so that it's in a managed
situation.  For gosh sakes, we hear all the talk about
closing the ah,  law, or the medical schools because we have
too many doctors.  If they're going to close anything, close
the law schools.  It's quite obvious that we have too many
lawyers and that would help us out pretty good.

Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Taylor.  Senator Lugar you have one
minute.

Sen. Lugar:  [Inaudible] legislation that provides the
affordability of coverage from person, from the person who
has a job now to a job that ah, he or she might take.  Ah,
that would take care of a great number of people and we
ought to, in the same legislation, provide for so-called
pre-existing conditions, so the people will get the
insurance, that uh, want to buy it.  Twenty-five million
Americans come into the insured situation under those terms. 
While reforming Medicaid, we ought to make certain that a
safety net is provided for all low income Americans.  It
offers a remarkable opportunity for something virtually
closed to universal coverage.  Those things the Congress can
do this year.  I propose that we act swiftly.

Speaker:  Thank you Senator Lugar.  Next to answer.  One
minute, Mr. Alexander.

Mr. Alexander:  Thank you Mr. [inaudible].  I have two
ideas.  One for Medicare, um, make the decisions outside
Washington in the private sector, give providers more
flexibility, interfere less with the doctor patient
relationship, and turn us back into consumers of medical
care, not just people who get these third party payments. 
Here's the second idea for Medicaid.  My state, after I left
office, got control of all the Medicaid spending.  They
immediately extended health care to four or five hundred
thousand more people.  Ninety four percent of Tennessians
now have Medicaid coverage. That means they have health
insurance.  If the state governments can do that much better
job with the same amount of money, then what are we waiting
for?  Why don't we move the decision making and the money
out of Washington, back to us, and let us extend health care
coverage to people who genuinely need it.

Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Alexander.  Pat Buchanan, one
minute.

Mr. Buchanan:  Let me talk about the private sector where
people are losing their health care because big companies
like AT&T are lopping off workers at forty thousand, one
fell swoop, and these folks go out into the private market
and they don't carry their health care with 'em.  We gotta
get those good payin' jobs back into the United States. 
Stop exporting them abroad because most Americans get their
health care and health insurance through the company they
work for and we got to get those good payin' jobs here.  How
do you do it?  Combination of Ronald Reagan's tax cuts, tax
rate cuts, get tax rates on investment saving and income
down to the lowest level in the Western industrial world. 
That will cause America to become the enterprise zone of the
Western world.  But, there's a second component we got to
think about now.  And that's these trade deals, we're
shippin' those jobs overseas, we're causing companies to
move 'em overseas.  We need trade polices Steve, that are
rooted in the ideas of all four Presidents on Mt. Rushmore. 
And they believed, when necessary, in using tariffs to
protect the standard of living of American workers and to
keep Americans factories here and to making America the most
independent, powerful, manufacturing, and industrial power
in the world.  You know Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson,
Teddy Roosevelt, even Calvin Coolidge, one of our heroes, he
believed in those kinds of policies. 

Speaker:  That's time.

Mr. Buchanan:  You marry those two together...

Speaker:  That's time.

Mr. Buchanan:  ...and America, the eagle will soar.

Speaker:  Thank you Mr. Buchanan.  Senator Dole, one minute.

Sen. Dole:  I think Pat is right.  I think the Reagan tax
cut, which I had the honor of [inaudible] through he Senate
and [inaudible] through the Congress was a great idea in
1981.  I think we need a...

Speaker:  It's nice to see you two agree.

Sen. Dole:  Alright, well.  [Mr. Buchanan laughing] And I
think we need a President to be more aggressive on trade
policies.  Trade agreements aren't bad if you have a
President aggressive and use the weapons Congress give them. 
I've got a copy of the Tenth Amendment right here.  We need
to send Medicaid back to states, back to Governor Merill,
back to the other states and they'll take care of a lot of
these people.  And, finally, we need to do what somebody
else suggested.  We have legislation pending now on the
Senate, it's gonna be taken up between April third, I think,
and Memorial Day, or April fifteenth and Memorial Day, which
will, affordability is going to be provided for if you can,
you're not going to lose your insurance if you change jobs,
gonna take care of pre-existing condizitio, conditions and
gonna have what we call "economy to scale" because
businesses can go together There are probably fifteen
provisions we all agree on and we believe this is a step in
the right direction.  But, finally, we need to give tax
credits to families with children, tax credits to working
families so they can better provide for themselves, better
provide for health care.  Thank you.

Speaker:  Thank you Senator.  Mr. Dornan, one minute.

Mr. Dornan:  Ah, I, I ask dealer's choice here because it's
been answered pretty well.  Bob pulled out an excerpt from
the ah, amendments to our great Constitution number ten. 
But, I've got the whole Constitution here, and this is the
kind of thing that I think is fair comparison.  Bob, I give
you article one, section eight it's the Congress's right to
raise and support armies, provide and maintain a navy, make
rules for the government, provide for calling forward the
militia, to provide for organizing army and disciplining. 
Bob, b, uh, Bosnia is unconstituitonal.  You stood of have,
should have had [inaudible] with me.  Newt and you sold out
to Clinton and you shouldn't have done that.  That young
Donald Duke [inaudible] there were only forty-nine guys on
the ground, Bob.  You should have stood with me and
stopped...

Sen. Dole:  Since none of us have been there.  [Inaudible]

Mr. Dornan:  ...them from going there.  Well what about air
lift, sea lift, air power, sea power, all the hospitals, and
a hundred percent of the intelligence.  Join me on that.
Please, it's unconstitutional.  Somalia, Bosina, and even
Reagan in Lebanon.  The Congress has the power to endanger
our young men and women and send them in harms way.  Not any
President of either party.

Speaker:  Thank you, Mr.Dornan.  Mr. Forbes you have one
minute.

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Mr. Forbes: Thank you very much.  We can start have medical
savings accounts with Medicare, as a model for the private
sector to give people more coverage.  Under Medicare, each
beneficiary will have fifteen hundred to two thousand
dollars a year for routine expenses.  If they're blesses
with good health, they get to keep the money.  The second
part of it is, above the three thousand dollar level they
have full, one-hundred percent, catastrophic, coverage.  So,
with medical saving accounts, they want have to buy medigap
insurance.  no more ...pays on part B, and no more high
deductibles on part A.  So beneficiaries would have better
coverage, more control, and less cost..  That would be a
revolution.  We tried a variation medical savings accounts
in the private sectors of Forbes magazine.  Expenses went
down, people did not lose coverage, and no one's benefits
were stripped and no one was forced to ......  care.  Why no
have medical savings accounts with credits and other means
for all the private sectors.  Then we can find out who is
truly not covered and then we can have the states put in
high risk .... for those that fall between the cracks.

Speaker: Thank you Mr. Forbes.  Mr. Keyes, you have one
minute.

Mr. Keyes: Honestly, I think all of these ideas are .... For
years I advocated  medical savings accounts, we need to
address the issues of ......uh  and the availability of
insurance for pre-existing conditions.  We need to ...... if
we don't want a government dominated health care sector.,
but we want one that is regulated by real powerment of
consumers, but by a responsible role as ...relationship
betwenn price and cost.  I do have to make a comment though
about Senator Dole talking about how he's going to
stand...the company who...trade agreement. I still  wonder
how come they didn't insist that Mr.Clinton negotiate a
descent trade deal on the GATT and the world trade
organization, but instead with  newly elected Congress right
behind you.  Instead of saying 'let's wait a minute' and
exam this badly negotiate world trade organization agreement
that accepted terms that Ronald Reagan and George Bush both
had objected.  You had you're opportunity and you...... and
you blew it. And now you're telling us I wasn't tough in the
Senate, but I will be tough in the White House.  Why on
earth should we believe you?


Sen. Dole:  George Bush supported that agreement, he knew
that, he was there for the signing......

Mr. Keyes:  he didn't support the idea that we'd have one
man, one vote determine who would sit on those panels.  He
didn't support the idea that we'd accept the first majority
vote ... in the international system on an issue of
importance to the United States.  That's a surrender of our
sovereignty and .. and Republican Presidents had fought
against that in ...accepted it as..............shouldn't
have.

Speaker;  We must move on to the closing statements.  You
each have forty-five seconds.  Mr. Taylor you will begin.

Mr. Taylor: Well, the first think I'd like to say is Senator
Dole, he's been a champion, a good old war horse for the
Republican party.  He's taken all the blows....  You've
heard all the politicians speak ...but they're not
listening.  If you want to balance the budget and you want
to get jobs in this country.  We can do it.  What we must do
is balance that budget, we do it in eighteen months, which
cut a third of your assets at the top, reorganize the
government the functions serve you, but we can turn around
and bring the jobs back,  if you take China and Japan and
you make them open their markets and if they
don't...restrict....because that is the only one you're
going to create millions and  millions of jobs.  They're all
fine men up here, a little lost on the trade issue....
Number two, we have to...for our children

Speaker: Thank you Mr. Taylor, Senator Lugar

Sen. Lugar   :President Clinton is vulnerable because of
foreign policy difficulties, the economy is in bad shape and
has not been growing because he and Mrs. Clinton have great
legal vulnerability.  On actions taken when he was Governor,
he and the first lady of Arkansas on actions taken in the
White House.  The Republican candidate for President has the
best chance to win the election.  If somebody who has
experience in foreign policy and speaks of those issues
constantly.  And the best plan for the economy, the end of
the eternal revenue service, the income tax.  And who has
trust of the American people as a straight shooter, as a
truth teller.  I believe, I am that candidate.  I believe I
could make the strongest race.  I ask for your support.

Speaker:  Thank you Senator Lugar.  Mr. Keyes, you have
forty-five seconds

Mr. Keyes:  Well, I think we're exactly like a family where
the child is on drugs and the other one is out engaging in
promiscuous sex, another one has committed suicide, and all
we want to think about is where we're going to get that next
raise from  and how we're going to get the next promotion. 
Our families are fallin apart, our moral condition is
appalling, yet all we have here is money obsessed leaders
who think they'll solve our problems with a little more
tinkering  with the jobs, and the taxes, and the money.  In
your hearts, you know that's not true and this campaign
offers a moral priority that is the right one for America. 
We must restore the moral and material foundations of the
marriage based families.  We must restore our allegiance to
the principles of the declarations to say that of freedom
comes from God and must be constraint by our
responsibilities to respect his existence and authority.  If
we can return to that moral foundation.  We'll find right
answers to our economical problems.  We'll find right
answers to our social problems because we'll stand on the
strong ground of American principles that unite us all
together moving into this 21st century.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Keyes.  Mr. Forbes, your close.

Mr. Forbes: Thank you very much.  America has the potential
for the greatest economic boom and spiritual renewal in our
history.  The question is how do we remove the barriers that
stand in our way of fulfilling our promise as a people and
as a nation.  Since the beginning of my campaign, I've been
discussing directly issues, that will remove those barriers,
take it away from government, return it to directly to the
people.  The world my opponents live in is a world of
process, promises, and politics.  The world I live in is the
world of people, payroll and performance.  In their world
you adopt a position and you slide there.  In the real
world, you have to take a stand and deliver.  That is what
I'll do as President, return it to the people, get America
moving again, and when we do..America's achievements will
astound the world and us.  We can move and make America that
shining city on the hill.  Thank you very much.

Speaker: Thank you Mr. Forbes.  Mr. Dornan.

Mr. Dornan: Steve, GOP should stand for growth opportunity
and pool. Stay on that message, it's Reagan's message.  My
battle cried when I came up here a year ago next Monday,
with then nine grandkids, all my in-laws, and daughters and
son-in-laws, and my five grown kids.  I used the battlecry
since 1984 in political comeback: faith, family and freedom. 
I add to that fidelity into some...fidelity to
freedom.....fidelity to family.  Clinton broke his oath to
the people of Arkansas, it's called White Water.  And it's
multi-level corruption.  He broke his faith to his wife. He
broke his faith to his country...three times ..... What will
he do to us in the second term.  Gentlemen, keep your eye on
the ball.  The target is Clinton.  God bless all of
you...proud.  We're all trying to be politicians

Speaker: Thank you Senator Dornan.  Senator Dole you have
close

Sen. Dole: Thank you very much..I've been shot at a lot
tonight but I've been in combat before with many men from
New Hampshire in the tenth mountain division and of course
the motto in the state up here is 'live free or die.'  This
is  a serious moment.....serious business in .... this
defining moment .  I'm prepared. I've had the experience,
which is given me the judgment.  You're looking for a
mainstream conservative answers and ideas as we go into the
next century.  You're .....about your children and your
grandchildren, about your job  and about your business,
about your community and about your state, about your
nation. Who do you want standing in the White House making
those decisions for you...somebody with experience, somebody
who's been prepared, somebody with judgment, someone who's
served this country, somebody who knows a little bit about
sacrifice. and those that made America great.  Those are the
qualities we look for in the President of the United States. 
....moral leadership all the things we've talked about that
we haven't had lately.  Vote for Bob Dole, it'll be a better
America, as a result of it.  Thank you very much.

Speaker: Mr. Buchanan

Mr. Buchanan:  I'm on the verge of breaking out of New
Hampshire and ....the nomination.  A sure sign of it this
week and today was a savage attack when my co-chair, Larry
Pratt..... the gun owners of America.  Larry stood by me
when nobody else did back in 1992. And I'm goin' stand by
him.  I'm going to tell the folks out there, there's spirit
because Larry Pratt is a devoured Christian being attacked
because he supports me.  Being attacked because he's
supported Second Amendment rights his whole life.  And
that's why they're going after me.  I would urge the gun
owners of New Hampshire and America to stand with  Larry
Pratt and to stand with me.  You know, Jack Kennedy said at
the end of his campaign: I know there is a God and I know he 
  .. some justice.  He sees the storming coming and I know
his hand is in it.  But if there is a place apart from me, I
believe I am ready, I believe I am ready.

Speaker: Thank you Mr. Buchanan.  Mr. Alexander, your close.

Mr. Alexander: I'm grateful to the people of New Hampshire
for this primary.  I'll never forget talking about schools
with the Barkers in Concord or the young couple in Nashua
about welfare or the women in Windam about jobs.  This
election is about their lives and our future.  Choice would
to be between Senator Dole and me. Senator Dole is our most
respected legislative engineer, but we need a visionary
architect.  We someone who can stand up there with Bill
Clinton and paint a brighter picture of the future based on
our principles then he can.  It's time we bring ourselves to
say to Senator Dole, Bob, we respect you but you're not the
man to have in that debate with Mr. Clinton and not he man
to be the first President of the next century.  It's time
for new leadership.  It's time to move on. I would like to
be that new leader and lead us into the next century asking
less from Washington and more from ourselves

Speaker: Thank you Lamar, and thank you gentlemen.  It has
been an informative and entertaining ninety minutes of
debate.  We want to also thank our viewers and we want to
encourage you to be a part of the process by getting out 
next Tuesday and voting.

Speaker: Thank you, Karen. Thank you all and on behalf of
Heins communication WMUR TV at CNN, I want to thank all of
you for watching..want to thank our director Scott.....
technical things behind the scenes that made this possible. 
And finally I'd liked to thank the New Hampshire
Presidential Primary itself for making this event possible